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> How much is too much for a 3/4 ton truck, Used camper for sale

Oregonizm
post Jun 3 2012, 07:29 PM
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There is a 2012 Arctic Fox camper for sale in my area on Craigslist. The owner is selling it at about a $10k loss because he thinks it is too heavy for his 3/4 ton truck. I would buy it in a hot second if I didn't already have a fantastic camper but I don't agree with the current owner about it being too heavy for his TV. He says the stocked up camper weighs 4300 pounds and I think that with some air bags and good tires he would be fine. I want to call him up and convince him that he has not made such a terrible mistake in buying this camper, what do you all think???
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skyhammer
post Jun 4 2012, 08:28 AM
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I would say that he is right, with a F-250 he is well over 1000lbs over weight.
Even a F-350 SRW would be marginal.
My 2011 F-350 DRW payload sticker says 4714 lbs. payload.
The Ford brochure says my truck has 5990lbs payload, but the way my truck is optioned I lose nearly 1300lbs of payload.
An F-250 CC, 4WD in the brochure says payload could be 3170lbs.,actual pay load is problably closer to 2500lbs.
If that is true, he would be close to 2000lbs over weight.
I have the same camper as you and it weighs in at 4700lbs dry, which is right at my limits on my DRW. That is only 400 lbs more than he is trying to carry on a F-250.


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post Jun 5 2012, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE(skyhammer @ Jun 4 2012, 01:28 PM)
I would say that he is right, with a F-250 he is well over 1000lbs over weight.
Even a F-350 SRW would be marginal.
My 2011 F-350 DRW payload sticker says 4714 lbs. payload.
The Ford brochure says my truck has 5990lbs payload, but the way my truck is optioned I lose nearly 1300lbs of payload.
An F-250 CC, 4WD in the brochure says payload could be 3170lbs.,actual pay load is problably closer to 2500lbs.
If that is true, he would be close to 2000lbs over weight.
I have the same camper as you and it weighs in at 4700lbs dry, which is right at my limits on my DRW. That is only 400 lbs more than he is trying to carry on a F-250.
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From my research , it's a 60/40 proposition plus with E rated tires, about 3500 lb capacity at each rear wheel and add in the heavy duty shocks and air bags and you can probably carry more than you think.

The way I figured it for myself was that : 3000lb (Vanguard ) camper 60 % of the weight over the rear wheels. That's approximately 2000 lb (loaded) divided by 2 is 1000 lbs over each tire that can handle 3500 lbs. Factor in the upgraded suspension and I think I'm fine. All of this is on a 2002 LWB F250 Crewcab 4X4 7.3 diesel.

Ok , so at 4700 lbs 60% is 2860 divided by 2 (for a SRW) is 1410 lbs at each wheel. I don't factor in the 40 % over the cab because I'm sure it can handle that and more.

Please correct me if I have this all wrong but it sure has worked out well for me. And I still get 11-12 mpg on my 7.3.

Good luck with yours. Hope this helps.
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post Jun 6 2012, 10:08 AM
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You are probably over weight also, but nearly as much as the F-250 in the first post.
Air bags and suspension up grades do not increase the payload or GVWR of the truck. They will make your truck handle being over weight a little better.
The only real way to tell is to weigh the truck first without the camper, full tank of fuel and all the people and stuff you usually carry in the truck.
Then put the camper on the truck with all the stuff, water etc. that you usually travel with.
The GVWR of your truck is probably around 9000lbs, the truck probably weighs at least 7000lbs. That would leave you with 2000lbs of payload.
Even if my estimates are off by quite a bit, you will be over weight.
The truck can do it and many people do so with no problems, but over weight is weight.
Your hypothesis that 60% of the campers weight is on the rear axle and 40% on the front axle may or may not be correct. Taking the truck to the scales is the way to know for sure.
On my truck for example, 75% of the campers weight is on the rear axle and 25% is on the front axle. My camper is much longer than yours, so that may account for the different weight distribution.


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Oregonizm
post Jun 6 2012, 06:46 PM
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Thanks Skyhammer, not the response I expected so I guess I'll just mind my own business. How do you like your Host?
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post Jun 7 2012, 05:41 PM
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And don't forget, carrying the weight is only half the problem, stopping it is the other half.....


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