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Posted by: ronflys701 Feb 8 2014, 01:30 PM

I have a 2500 1998 Dodge Diesel 12v and my gvw is 8800lbs I bought an older as light as possible camper no hot water or built in shower just furnace,stove and regular sized bed ...not a Queen as most have now and Im almost over the weight for my truck ...my question is 99% of every truck camper has put the weight over the limit of the gvw when loaded....and I have talked to many eye to eye in the campgrounds so why is everyone crying about gvw you are almost all over the limit when fully loaded unless you buy a 550 ford or equivalent. All the swaybars lifts airbags may help control the load but nothing can change the max weight for the truck...Naturally Im talking about hard sided and not popups??

Posted by: Sailor Dave Feb 8 2014, 04:32 PM

I have a 2012 F350 dually, 6.2 liter gas, extended cab, 4X4. Camper is an AF1150.

Fully loaded I'm at 12,900 and my GVWR is 13,300. So don't include me in "everyone".

Posted by: aqualung Feb 8 2014, 05:43 PM

Like Sailor Dave, when fully loaded with a full complement of passengers, full fuel tank and full water tanks I'm 200lbs under my GVWR. So don't include me in "everyone" either.

Posted by: dubob Feb 9 2014, 06:27 PM

I'm over and don't care so I'm good with being included. cool.gif

Posted by: Sailor Dave Feb 10 2014, 06:27 AM

LOL!!!

Posted by: Spanky Feb 10 2014, 10:24 AM

I am over too but I just drive it like its over and so far no problems. I drive a big rig so I can handle being a little over wink.gif

Posted by: hedge Feb 10 2014, 11:20 AM

I'm under too but not by much. I'll probably be a bit over when towing though.

Posted by: ronflys701 Feb 13 2014, 11:36 AM

QUOTE(Sailor Dave @ Feb 8 2014, 04:32 PM)
I have a 2012 F350 dually, 6.2 liter gas, extended cab, 4X4. Camper is an AF1150.

Fully loaded I'm at 12,900 and my GVWR is 13,300. So don't include me in "everyone".
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Ok I won t include u with 400lbs to spare hope ur truck doesn t get mud on it???

Posted by: ronflys701 Feb 13 2014, 11:41 AM

Guess I screwed up so if you are within a couple hundred pounds you are ok to drive safely at near fully loaded gvw ....Sorry but if u are that close and have to watch what u load then to me you still have a problem even if u think u are under...just my opinion and everyone has one but I won t include you guys???

Posted by: ronflys701 Feb 13 2014, 12:07 PM

QUOTE(aqualung @ Feb 8 2014, 05:43 PM)
Like Sailor Dave, when fully loaded with a full complement of passengers, full fuel tank and full water tanks I'm 200lbs under my GVWR. So don't include me in "everyone" either.
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Touchy or what??

Posted by: dubob Feb 14 2014, 10:20 AM

Ron,

After reading your latest comments on this thread, I took a closer look at the thread details. I see that this is your very first entry on this forum. I also now see that you have an attitude problem. Just exactly what were you trying to gain from your original comments on here? If it was to tick off some really nice folks, it would appear that you were successful. You insinuated that as a group, we TC owners are “almost all over the limit when fully loaded” and are a bunch of crybabies (“why is everyone crying about gvw”).

Now you come back on here and start throwing snide comments at folks that disagreed with your original assumptions. Well, here’s a suggestion for you. Take your charming attitude and heartwarming retorts to some other website where the ‘Golden Rule’ and civility aren’t expected or required. In MHO, you aren’t winning very many friends on this website.


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Posted by: Sailor Dave Feb 16 2014, 08:42 AM

Sometimes it's best to just ignore narrow minded people.

Posted by: ronflys701 Feb 25 2014, 11:28 AM

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[/quote]Im not here to make friends just get info so if your intentions here are to make friends I suggest to you go on plenty of fish and find yourself a playmate. I have read all your posts and maybe you should review your comments you have make???

Posted by: dubob Feb 26 2014, 08:28 AM

QUOTE(ronflys701 @ Feb 25 2014, 10:28 AM)
Im not here to make friends
Congratulations on your being successful at achieving your goal.

Posted by: Jeeper4life Nov 30 2014, 06:24 PM

QUOTE(Jeeper4life @ Nov 30 2014, 04:59 PM)
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I'm extremely overweight (my truck and camper that is). Gvwr is 9900 and my f250 with a full load weighed 13,900. If you set up a truck properly you should not have too many problems. I have hauled 4500 miles this summer without any problems. It maybe just luck, but with 218,000 on the ticker it might just be a ticking time bomb.
I just like my truck too much to buy a newer one so I'll probably just keep upgrading my truck until it starts to fall apart. I also tow my boat behind. I really feel that load. I think it puts me about 20k lbs. Dubob, I love the gooseneck setup you have. It looks like a quick way to unhook and the non top heavy setup.

Posted by: dubob Dec 1 2014, 09:05 AM

QUOTE(Jeeper4life @ Nov 30 2014, 05:24 PM)
Dubob, I love the gooseneck setup you have. It looks like a quick way to unhook and the non top heavy setup.
Jeeper,

I'm loving it also so far. I will have to mod the trailer next spring and move the axles back a foot or so to get more weight over the king pin. It sits at just over 500 lbs now and needs to be at or above 1100 lbs. I hope that moving the axles back that far will accomplish that goal. Since this is a first for both me and the trailer company, we didn't know what the KP weight would be.

Posted by: Warlock Mar 7 2015, 07:35 PM

Well Im in a 2011 Denali 4x4 2500HD with a Lance 855s towing a 21' Malibu Wakesetter...Not sure where I fit in but tows like a dream...Put airbags on it to appease the lady didnt notice a difference...Had an Alpenlite Saratoga 935 on the back which was even heavier...Guess I qualify for the "One of those guys" crew....

Posted by: Electrojake Jun 15 2015, 07:47 PM

QUOTE(ronflys701 @ Feb 8 2014, 01:30 PM)
I have a 2500 1998 Dodge Diesel 12v and my gvw is 8800lbs I bought an older as light as possible camper no hot water or built in shower just furnace,stove and regular sized bed ...not a Queen as most have now and Im almost over the weight for my truck ...my question is 99% of every truck camper has put the weight over the limit of the gvw when loaded....and I have talked to many eye to eye in the campgrounds so why is everyone crying about gvw you are almost  all  over the limit when fully loaded unless you buy a 550 ford or equivalent.

All the swaybars lifts airbags may help control the load but nothing can change the max weight for the truck... Naturally Im talking about hard sided and not popups??
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This original post is nothing short of fascinating!

Of all the RV types; TT, 5er, hybrid, etc... the Truck-camper setup is by far the most misapplied.
And it all goes back to GVWR issues.
In researching this, (as did ronflys701) found that the majority of truck-campers are indeed over their legal registered weight, or so darn close that it is not really a practical setup.

Any unit that is equipped with a wet-bath and reasonably sized fresh-tank is most likely going to be well over the capacity of any "non-dually" truck that would be foolhardy enough to carry it.
Add a slide, A/C unit, generator, camping gear etc... and to keep it DOT legal you'd need a military deuce & a half to move it!

I keep looking at the loaded/wet-weights of these truck-campers, and then checking the load capacities of GM, RAM, & Ford, non-dually heavy duty trucks and the math just doesn't work.

I'm thinking maybe your F-250 should really be an F-650?
Just saying.

Here: An F-650 properly loaded...
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And here: ... Not quite what I would call a "comfortable" lading rolleyes.gif
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Posted by: 17 Oaks Jun 27 2015, 10:31 AM

QUOTE(Electrojake @ Jun 15 2015, 07:47 PM)
This original post is nothing short of fascinating!

Of all the RV types; TT, 5er, hybrid, etc... the Truck-camper setup is by far the most misapplied.
And it all goes back to GVWR issues.
In researching this, (as did ronflys701) found that the majority of truck-campers are indeed over their legal registered weight, or so darn close that it is not really a practical setup.

Any unit that is equipped with a wet-bath and reasonably sized fresh-tank is most likely going to be well over the capacity of any "non-dually" truck that would be foolhardy enough to carry it.
Add a slide, A/C unit, generator, camping gear etc... and to keep it DOT legal you'd need a military deuce & a half to move it!

I keep looking at the loaded/wet-weights of these truck-campers, and then checking the load capacities of GM, RAM, & Ford, non-dually heavy duty trucks and the math just doesn't work.

I'm thinking maybe your F-250 should really be an F-650?
Just saying.

Here: An F-650 properly loaded...
user posted image

And here: ... Not quite what I would call a "comfortable" lading rolleyes.gif
user posted image
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I tend to agree with your comments. That said here is (maybe) some insight into this hazy crazy world. Auto mfg build inside of a set of parameters, how far inside is closely guarded. They do thing on many components. Not sure of the current offering on some of the HiPerf motors being dropped into the Chevy line, but my 427-435 hp came with a 5 year 100,000k mi warranty on the entire drive train, I had 169,000 mi when a guy ran a stop sign and totaled it out. This applies to trucks as well, especially those mfg for for dual purpose as in general use and commercial business use. Take away: many are at or near the recommended gross weight, while I am not sure of the margin it would be my guess based upon discussions I have had with engineers that work at the major auto mfg that a 10% margin would be realistic if not more.

Posted by: Torsten Nov 8 2016, 06:16 AM

Hi,

can load 2976 Lbs on my old 1985 F250 Diesel, and my Truckcamper is an 1985 Lance Model 780 wetwight 2568 Lbs so i have no Problem with overload.

And this is ok for german Streetlegal, we do a little other Messurements here, Truckwight is with both full Tanks and me as Driver is 5621 Lbs GVWR from Doordecal is 8598 Lbs so i can load on Top 408 Lbs.

But i read that the newer camper are more heavy than the old ones and that the GVWR on newer trucks is a nightmare.

I think this is typical, Pickuptrucks are not longer workhorses the new ones are more like an SUV for Citydrivers ;-)

This is why i love to drive Classic Cars and Trucks

All the best from Germany

Torsten

Posted by: SidecarFlip Mar 30 2017, 09:47 AM

QUOTE(amit65 @ Mar 30 2017, 05:59 AM)
Hi..

When a truck driver causes an accident by operating a truck that
is overloaded or has an unsecured load, it is usually someone else
who ends up paying the price. In most cases, the truck driver will
walk away from the accident, while the people in the other vehicle
may suffer life-changing injuries or death
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Yes and no. Being a retired safety and compliance officer for a large carrier, I will say the usually the truck driver isn't injured but he still faces disciplinary action by his company, law enforcement and likely loss of employment plus plus points on his or her license.

Same scenario can be applied to an overweight camper / truck and assured clear distance (failure to stop in the required distance because the vehicle was loaded past the limits of it's braking capability) and smashes a car.

Chances are the driver of the RV will walk away while the driver / occupants of the car will suffer personal injury or death.

It all comes down to adjudication in a court of law and who has the biggest wallet.

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