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Jknight611
post Jan 8 2018, 03:27 AM
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My truck is painfully close or over the truck’s gross weight limit. It handles fine and in 30,000 miles hasn’t shown any ill effects from overloading. BUT, in the event of a traffic accident am I opening myself up to a liability nightmare? I couldn’t imagine in litigation being overweight would play out very well!
Anybody have any experience with this issue? I am torn about replacing my current truck with a 1 ton.
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post Jan 8 2018, 04:17 AM
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QUOTE(Jknight611 @ Jan 8 2018, 04:27 AM)
My truck is painfully close or over the truck’s gross weight limit.  It handles fine and in 30,000 miles hasn’t shown any ill effects from overloading.  BUT, in the event of a traffic accident am I opening myself up to a liability nightmare?  I couldn’t imagine in litigation being overweight would play out very well!
Anybody have any experience with this issue?  I am torn about replacing my current truck with a 1 ton.
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This is an interesting question and one which I am sure will bring many responses. In a nutshell, although most folks quickly point out when it come to weight that you are not likely to be stopped while simply moving about by the police or highway patrol, they seldom address the potential for a civil suit in the event you are involved in an accident.

When it comes to civil suits, things can get muddy very quickly and anything that can be used against you can and probably will (provided someone has had the wherewithal to gather information at the time of the accident). Of course a multitude of factors can impact the outcome of a civil suit, but it is hard to ignore the fact that running overweight will benefit no one who finds themselves needing to appear the picture of responsible ownership. So is it a slam dunk for the other side? Probably not, but it sure could make a bad situation worse. Personally I would raise the issue with an attorney in a heartbeat.

Now the next issue is how probable is it that the issue of weight will arise and the answer to that is "not very". Jump over to the website for the National Highway Traffic Safety Institute and see if you can find statistics for accidents involving weight. The reality is statistically accidents involving RVs of all persuasions are not common and are actually pretty uncommon. In the end, you might be saved by the simple fact that you are not likely to be involved in an accident with your RV, but if you are, running overweight is unlikely to weigh in your favor (pun intended). smile.gif
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post Jan 10 2018, 05:34 PM
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Was at an RV lot and saw a Dodge 3500 SRW (fairly new) deliver an Arctic Fox 1140 (or 1150)....only mod he had was airbags and claimed it drove very well. I saw he had Toyo's which I think have a higher weight cap.

Point? He had to be WAY over as the 1140/50 showed 3895 dry weight no options on the back.

He was also pulling about a 30 foot trailer.
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post Jan 10 2018, 07:29 PM
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It is very easy to get over weight with any truck/TC combo. Likely not an issue until some event happens. I had a truck/camper combo for 17 years that worked great, never an issue. It was legally overweight from day one. I then bought a new (used) camper that was even heavier, and had a higher CG.

Drove that combo without issue for 2 years, but really had to be defensive on managing speed. Lucky never had an issue, but had to be on my toes.

I have since sold the truck and bought a 2018 Dodge SW. Things have come a long ways in 17 years. This truck is a 3500 vs a 250. I am now close, but still over, GVW. With new trannie and auto exhaust brakes, it is so much more manageable. Truck also has much less sway, given 1 ton vs 3/4 ton, plus fact truck and springs are new.

I now comfortably and I feel safely carry my TC. I also tow a 7,000 pound trailer at times which actually helps braking given the dual axle brakes. My only concern now are the tires on the single rear axle of the truck. I operate within the rating of the tires, but still have a lot of weight on single tires. Never have had a tire blow while towing, but feel that is the weak link. Plenty of power, plenty of braking, at/near GVW, but still relying on a single tire. Fortunately tires these days are very good.
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post Jan 10 2018, 09:14 PM
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This is my take on it...

You are golden until some little old lady J walks in front of you and you put your foot through the firewall but yo cannot stop in time because the weight of your unit won't allow it, IOW, your brakes are overloaded to the point it's not going to stop in time so you cream the little old lady and guess what..

You get sued and loose everything,

Or, you are in a situation where you need to perform an emergency evasive manuver and you cannot because your outfit is too heavy, or top heavy to allow it so you crash

Either scenario put's you at fault and wide open to a civil suit.

Why I went from a hardside to a pop up. It's lighter. I can actually slide all 4 wheels on the truck on dry pavement with the camper in the bed. Can you? Have you ever tried?

You can run anything down the road but in an emergency / panic scenario you may not be in control anymore.

Myself, I prefer to err on the side of not being overloaded. Easier to control and easier on components too.

You never know when that 'emergency' situation will arise. Better to be prepared than getting caught with your drawers down.

I sure as heck don't want to cream a little old lady or rear end someone because I could not stop in time, because I didn't have enough braking power. In any state, that is 'assured clear distance' and puts you immediately at fault whether the other party contributed to the scenario or not.

I don't ever want to go there. Attorneys love that stuff, it keeps them in fancy cars and lines the client's pockets with settlements.
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post Jan 11 2018, 02:57 AM
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Here is what bothers me most about the weight issue, regardless of what side of the fence you fall on. The RV industry continues to serve up BS to buyers by continuing to act as though it requires a message from on high to post accurate camper weights. There is no reason on earth every RV can not leave the dealership with a statement of accurate weight just as it sits with full tanks, batteries in place, etc. This liability disclaimer in all the brochures or a list of option weights is crap and manufacturers and dealers know it.The dealer should put it on the sales slip at the time of sale and have the customer sign off on it. They don't piece meal the weight and shrug shoulders as though it it the buyer's responsibility. After that, if an owners wants to modify and take responsibility so be it.

The second thing that drives me nuts is folks discussing weights with no real world knowledge of what their rig weighs fully loaded. Fully loaded is ready to go down the road the way you travel. My F350 had Fab Fours bumpers front and rear. They are huge and they are heavy. I have a Yamaha 2,000 genset hanging on the rear bumper on a platform, I have a cooler full of ice behind the seat, the gas tanks, both gasoline and propane are full, you get the idea. Running that across a CAT scale, with our Hallmark Ute on board, my truck scales out right at total gross weight rating for the truck. That is over 3,000 pounds I have loaded onto our truck.

I know I am ranting, but I wish when RV owners were discussing weights, there came a point in time when a CAT scale slip magically appeared to anchor the discussion in reality because from where I sit, it seems like that is a rarity. smile.gif
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SidecarFlip
post Jan 11 2018, 08:08 PM
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if most owners actually knew what they weighed ready to roll, they'd probably stay home...

What always bothers me isn't the overweight issue but the impact on components.

I realize that typically, components will withstand a substantial margin of over extension but that also shortens component life.

Why I refer to a loaded up TC with slides and on board generator and all the bells and whistles as a barge. A barge on wheels.

TC's are the only guilty RV. You have to wonder how many pull behinds are overloaded as well. At least with a pull behind, you do have another set of brakes or multiple sets even if they are stone age drum brakes.

People want to take everything with them to go camping, IOW, take the house along. Problem is, all that stuff weighs something.

My wife and I have learned over the years to be minimalists. We just take what we need and no more (and we leave the cats at home too)..lol
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post Jan 11 2018, 09:56 PM
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Component wear for sure.
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Jknight611
post Jan 13 2018, 05:44 AM
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Thanks guys, as I mentioned, my truck doesn’t seem to be any worse for the overgross weight, my primary concern is a huge lawsuit because of a accident and in the discovery phase of the investigation being found to be overweight.
Maybe I am pandering for a new 1 ton too......
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post Jan 14 2018, 04:35 AM
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Me to. The only thing stopping me is that monthly payment.
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post Jan 14 2018, 04:42 PM
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I'm allergic to payments. If I want something I save up the money and pay cash. Cannot see paying some finance company for use of their money.
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post Jan 16 2018, 11:11 AM
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The Cat scale ticket tells the story. Here is what "should" be happening at RV dealerships, is a set of moveable scales be used with the paper print out attached to the sales receipt of each unit as the customer picks up their new unit .It is a no brainer that this format would help all . When we had our last 5th wheel we were at rallies where a dealer actually brought his scales with him and we did a safety seminar which really opened many owner's eyes. The liability issue also is a double edged sword. Knowledge is scary.
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post Jan 17 2018, 10:54 AM
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I know that Capri Campers weighs each individual unit prior to leaving the factory (with all the ordered accessories installed) and that is what they affix as the weight sticker. Don't know of anyone else that does that.
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post Jan 17 2018, 10:55 AM
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Maybe things will change with Lance, now that they have been bought out by REV Industries. Lance has to be the biggest offender of actual weight versus fantasy weight.
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